Difference between revisions of "User talk:Almaron"

Latest revision as of 19:12, 26 October 2010

I think that the family tree and Lily's formation would make excellent pages! - whitearrow 10:11, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

Thanks! I need to update them though based on new information (Lily needs to be moved to the top of the formation instead of remaining in the middle, and the family tree I believe is now completely wrong).

Okay, I might make a new page for the Celestial family tree, but I want to see what other people on the wiki think of it first. The family tree in its penultimate form exists on both my page and the Talk:Celestial page, with various notes about possible relations on both that and Talk:Lung Tien Xian. All I need is the following information;

1; Is Chu the present Emperor's dragon, and if so, where is that said in the books?

2; Is Grandfather the same dragon as Xian (there's already some notes debating this on Talk:Lung Tien Xian)?

3; Which of the two family trees do you think is most likely? Chu as Qian's brother? Chu as Qian's cousin?

I'm assuming that if no dragons younger than Grandfather have died so far, Ming is Qian's father (seems more likely that you'd name your own parent before your uncle(which I presume he is). Read the talk pages for the rest of the notes, and then post here what you think Almaron 01:31, 16 August 2010 (PDT)

Making A Map Of The Temeraire World[edit]

I'm working, as the title suggests, on a map of all the countries that existed in the early 1800s, with a few speculative additions to fit the new countries that have been created. It's a simple map, so anyone can quickly edit it as new information arises (And from what I've seen of the Tongues of Serpents page, we'll need to add the Chinese port to Australia). I'm using one of Wikipedia's free .svg maps (Mercator Projection, so things are easier to depict), and so far;

• Europe, South America, Asia and Australia are finished.
• Africa is nearly finished; I still need to finish the Ottoman borders.
• India hasn't been started, and the Dutch East Indies need finishing.
• North America is partway done.

When adding the new countries (Incan Empire, Tswana Kingdom), I had to guess at the exact borders (and in a few places I've used the modern borders, for sake of ease). The Tswana Kingdom doesn't detail its exact borders, but it would seem to include all the areas mentioned in Sipho's book. It may draw its borders with the Kingdom Of Kongo, but that could also be a part of it. In this case I've decided not to draw borders in this part of Africa, and instead rely on names to divide up the country.

South America was another; historically, the Spaniards started from Panama, and worked south towards the Incans, eventually conquering them, and dubbing the area the "Viceroyalty of Peru". Then, they later sorted out the north (Viceroyalty of New Granada) and moved south (Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata), while the Portugese claimed Brazil. The Incan territories covered Ecuador, half of modern Peru, parts of Bolivia, and northern Chile; the rest of which they were unable to conquer.

We could assume that with dragons on their side, the Incans repelled the Spaniards, who retreated to Granada and set up that colony, and the Incans enlarged their empire with the southern lands. Almaron 16:26, 21 August 2010 (PDT)

Update: America is finished, save for the Carribean, and that won't take long. All that's left now is Ottoman Africa, India, and the Dutch East Indies. I'm thinking I'll upload the map without labels, so we can crop the map to specific continents and work from there. Almaron 22:25, 21 August 2010 (PDT)

Blank World Map - Sources and stuff[edit]

Right, it's done. A blank map of the world as it appeared in the early 1800s (with a few changes made to suit the Temeraire series of events, and a few cases of different borders (either conflicting maps, not enough info, a simplification, or a mistake made by me when adding it). Here follows a list of my sources (basically, I looked at the pictures or read the descriptions on the page, and then changed the map to suit that). Copyright free indicates that it said so on the image's page. Info means I only used the written descriptions. Nothing means that the image was licenced under the Creative Commons or GNU Licence. Now, if I understand those pages correctly, I can use the info from there if I also release it under those licences. Because this wiki doesn't have those tag addons, I'm instead stating it as such; I release the image under any of the licences mentioned on these source pages (with the exception of releasing it into the public domain). If I have made any errors in doing this, please say as much on my talk page so I can either remedy it or remove the image altogether.

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Here's the image in all its blank glory;

Feel free to crop and edit it (like adding text) if you want to zoom in on a specific area to better map it. It was done in Microsoft Paint, of all things, so it can be easily edited in any program without affecting the quality of the image.

Additional image credits[edit]

The following pages were used for the new maps of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Duchy_of_Warsaw_1809-1815.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ac.prussiamap3.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Preussen-1806.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rzeczpospolitapodrozb.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Acprussiamap2.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden%E2%80%93Finland (info)

More pages, for the recent update:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captaincy_General_of_Chile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inca_Empire.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captaincy_General_of_Chile_(orthographic_projection).svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viceroyalty_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Virreinato.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_rio_de_la_plata_1816_.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Indian_Empire_1909_Imperial_Gazetteer_of_India.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsharid_dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afsharid_Dynasty_1736_-_1802_(AD).PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qajar_dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Iran_1900-en.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durrani_Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Durrani_Empire_1747_AD.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Spain_(Napoleonic)