Editing Talk:South America

Okay, my copy of Crucible of Gold has arrived, and so I'm making notes of things I need to update here at some point - I'm loving the map included; that makes my cartography work much easier!

Alas, I've found a big problem. In Tongues of Serpents, Laurence ends up talking with traders at Larrakia, who tell him that they heard the news that Rio had been sacked from a whaler out of Chile, who got the news from Santiago (there's lots of cities named Santiago; one is the capital of Chile). However, the map in Tongues of Serpents makes it clear that the Incan Empire covers all of Chile, and they don't tolerate outsiders.

So...any thoughts as to how to explain this? Santiago could be one of many cities; and perhaps Chile refers to a different area of land (or it could have been the Spanish name for the area before the Incans annexed it). [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 14:09, 20 March 2012 (MDT)

: That could be a toughie. Wikipedia says that the name "Chile" is based on a word from one of the South American indigenous languages (there's some dispute about which one or what it was, but it's non-Spanish in origin) and originally referred to a relatively inland valley. I would assume that the Spanish-derived name "Santiago" would not have taken root in a region where the Incans maintained control, so it probably wouldn't refer to the modern Chilean capital. My best handwave at the moment is that in this context, "Chile" might refer to some of the wider Patagonian territories that were claimed by the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captaincy_General_of_Chile General Captaincy of Chile ]...? --[[User:Wombat1138|Wombat1138]] 16:27, 20 March 2012 (MDT)

::Yes, I agree! Thank you very much for that link!
::Right, now that I've had a good browse through Wiki pages, I've attacked my map again and updated it in many places - it's not quite finished yet; I still need to finish reading Crucible of Gold for one - and I think I have South America just about sorted. Incan Empire takes up the area marked on the map, Chile is what remains of the Captaincy General of Chile in this world, Brazil is the same but with its borders extended to where it would have been against the Viceroyalty of Peru in our world, Venezuela is mentioned; historically it was a part of New Grenada, so that accounts for the north, and we can use that to assume Dutch Guyana and Suriname also exist; sandwiched between the two. This leaves only the Viceroyalty of the Rio De La Plata, which I will include for now with a note; I would think that only the Incans managed to rebel against the Spanish, since there hasn't been anything mentioned about other potential indigenous peoples' uprisings. 

On another note, since Louanda is said to be under Tswana control on the map, I've added a border for the lands believed to be under their control; roughly going from Angola to Mozambique. Expect the updated map to be published soon! [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 02:59, 21 March 2012 (MDT)
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	::Right, now that I've had a good browse through Wiki pages, I've attacked my map again and updated it in many places - it's not quite finished yet; I still need to finish reading Crucible of Gold for one - and I think I have South America just about sorted. Incan Empire takes up the area marked on the map, Chile is what remains of the Captaincy General of Chile in this world, Brazil is the same but with its borders extended to where it would have been against the Viceroyalty of Peru in our world, Venezuela is mentioned; historically it was a part of New Grenada, so that accounts for the north, and we can use that to assume Dutch Guyana and Suriname also exist; sandwiched between the two. This leaves only the Viceroyalty of the Rio De La Plata, which I will include for now with a note; I would think that only the Incans managed to rebel against the Spanish, since there hasn't been anything mentioned about other potential indigenous peoples' uprisings.		::Right, now that I've had a good browse through Wiki pages, I've attacked my map again and updated it in many places - it's not quite finished yet; I still need to finish reading Crucible of Gold for one - and I think I have South America just about sorted. Incan Empire takes up the area marked on the map, Chile is what remains of the Captaincy General of Chile in this world, Brazil is the same but with its borders extended to where it would have been against the Viceroyalty of Peru in our world, Venezuela is mentioned; historically it was a part of New Grenada, so that accounts for the north, and we can use that to assume Dutch Guyana and Suriname also exist; sandwiched between the two. This leaves only the Viceroyalty of the Rio De La Plata, which I will include for now with a note; I would think that only the Incans managed to rebel against the Spanish, since there hasn't been anything mentioned about other potential indigenous peoples' uprisings.

−	::On another note, since Louanda is said to be under Tswana control on the map, I've added a border for the lands believed to be under their control; roughly going from Angola to Mozambique. Expect the updated map to be published soon! [[User:Almaron\|Almaron]] 02:59, 21 March 2012 (MDT)	+	On another note, since Louanda is said to be under Tswana control on the map, I've added a border for the lands believed to be under their control; roughly going from Angola to Mozambique. Expect the updated map to be published soon! [[User:Almaron\|Almaron]] 02:59, 21 March 2012 (MDT)