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| IMHO it's still arguable whether Xian is or isn't "Grandfather", and so I'm going to split off a separate "Grandfather" article and link it from this one. --[[User:Wombat1138|Wombat1138]] 21:48, 28 August 2010 (PDT) | | IMHO it's still arguable whether Xian is or isn't "Grandfather", and so I'm going to split off a separate "Grandfather" article and link it from this one. --[[User:Wombat1138|Wombat1138]] 21:48, 28 August 2010 (PDT) |
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− | :Cool. I need to fix the other Celestial pages though; the notes regarding the reasoning for the family tree link to Xian. [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 23:48, 28 August 2010 (PDT)
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− | == Crucible of Gold ==
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− | Argh, we're back at square one! There's a quote in the newest book where Temeraire muses about how his "uncle" is the companion to the current Emperor, which throws the family tree we came up with out the window!
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− | Could they have meant anything else by "four or five generations of Celestials" - for instance, could that and Laurence's other quote that Grandfather is "sire to them all" simply refer to four Celestials (Chu, Qian, Ming & Zhi) and their children? [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 14:01, 6 April 2012 (MDT)
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− | :I figured it just meant that Lien's father (Chu) is the current Emperor's companion, so that Grandfather was the companion to a previous and now dead Emperor. Though it's also possible that Ming and/or Zhi are also Qian's brothers, and that one of them is the Emperor's companion instead... eh. Without further information, I'd say that Chu is the only dragon whom we definitely know is Temeraire's uncle, and so that he's a pretty good bet. --[[User:Wombat1138|Wombat1138]] 16:54, 6 April 2012 (MDT)
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− | ::Hang on, it's never said that Chu was the current Emperor's companion, and he's probably the least likely candidate! Lien was born in the time of the Qianlong Emperor, and it's likely that she was intended to be the companion of the next Emperor until she hatched and was deemed unlucky due to her white skin. Yongxing pairs up with her, and his brother becomes the Jiaqing Emperor. Chu must have been the companion to the Qianlong Emperor, or one of his predecessors (provided he didn't choose a companion and remained alone until the Jiaqing Emperor was born, or he chose a second companion; both of these scenarios I think are quite unlikely). It's more likely that Ming or Zhi is the Jiaqing Emperor's companion. [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 18:32, 6 April 2012 (MDT)
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− | :::Hm. Good points-- but Chu is still the only dragon who's been definitely identified as Temeraire's uncle. I don't have my copy of CoG right here; I can't recall whether Temeraire says that his uncle is *currently* the Emperor's companion, or whether the verb tense is vague enough to mean "At some point, my uncle was the Emperor's companion even if that Emperor is dead now"... but in the latter case, why wouldn't Temeraire think first of whichever other relation currently holds the post? Or expand it outward to "My grandfather, at least one uncle/cousin, and maybe my mother have all been companions to Emperors in their time"? This may require another plea to NN for clarification :| --[[User:Wombat1138|Wombat1138]] 18:55, 6 April 2012 (MDT)
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− | == Golden Age==
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− | Golden Age reveals that Xian was Chu and Qian's mother, and died clawing Chu's egg out of herself.
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